at the realization that, even with THAT Dean/Cas conversation, and Kevin’s murder, and all the dead ladies, this is probably still the second-best episode Bruckner and Ross-Lemming have written. Even worse, if I try very hard to erase certain scenes from this episode and 9x03, their Cas is actually more recognizable to me than certain other writers on the show who are more talented in other areas, but, to me, write Cas as a stranger.
I feel like I’m a very fucked up person.
ONE LAST PUSH. JENSEN FOR PCA! You have till tomorrow (Dec 5) at 11:59 EST!
Because just look at that! This man is so deserving because of things like this. He puts his heart and soul into Dean.
This would mean so much to Jensen especially this year. With indications that Jensen isn’t real happy about the direction the season is taking in regards to Dean.
Jensen said that this and the aftermath of this was one of the hardest things he has had to play. He had trouble getting himself into the head space and when the scene was done he trouble getting himself out of this head space. He has said that where Dean is at this season is wearing on Jensen personally.
I think for Jensen to win this award this season would mean so much to him. For him to know that everything he’s done is worth it. That people recognize and love him for how much he puts into Dean.
So lets show him our gratitude. We has a fandom can do this. We are dominating. We wins polls like its our life. There is no reason we can’t do this for Jensen.
Many ways to vote
Via Twitter Jensen Ackles #scifiactor #peopleshoice
-Our twitter votes were huge last year also and we didn’t win, So don’t get complacent and only vote via twitter. And personally im not sure if every vote is counted that way.
Also iphone and android apps make it easy voting over and over again.
DO THIS FOR JENSEN!
I just wanted to say this to any other fans out there who might be like I was about this scene - blown away by Jensen’s performance but disturbed by the content.
While this was incredible work (and, as mentioned, likely very difficult psychologically, as it’s difficult for him to shake this stuff off), I take this as just one of many strong performances this season.
So if any fans feel like, “Oh, Kevin was killed off, so let’s vote for Jensen,” it really isn’t meant to come across that way. Last night was, to me, one of Jensen’s best performances in years, but I felt like it was also a culmination of great work this season.
When I vote him it’s because of so much he’s done this season. I do know, as a Kevin fan, that this whole scene was just so wrong, even with the superlative acting. It’s a real testament to Jensen’s acting that he didn’t just save up for this moment, or think, “I might get an award.” He almost always works hard with his scene partners to make even the flimsiest scenes have more of a meaning.
So if anyone thinks, “I can’t vote based on this type of scene, I can’t get past this type of writing choice,” I share some of your view, but, for me, Jensen has been so damn good this season, I really feel like he deserves the award.
it’s strange because a lot of people find cas’ actions in the second half of the ep out-of-character
but those actually were the ones that made the most sense to me?? idk
because when cas latches onto a purpose or a mission, he’s a determined ruthless little fucker who will do whatever is necessary to accomplish it.
(as stupid as i find the grace retconning) cas took that grace in order to power himself up enough to take on the other angels, it gives him an edge he never would have had as purely human.
cas manipulating/killing the angel that ‘helped’ him out of those chains and the other angels who held him captive was a strategic move to weaken malachi’s faction and his current level of power.
this is basically cas’ eon’s worth of military knowledge playing out
I took the episode as Cas trying very hard to live life as a human, to fit into some sort of human persona, one he wasn’t entirely comfortable with (everything in the bar scenes, at least up until he began talking to Dean privately, felt like a huge put-on to me - I don’t believe he meant most of what he was saying), and then he stole the grace because he realized he had no choice. I think a part of him didn’t want to be an angel again, because in his mind, he did nothing but fail as an angel. I think some part of him would have accepted death, but when he saw Muriel killed (more manpain…yay!), he realized he had to get some form of grace back, to protect other angels from the monsters around them.
I wanted Cas to be human for a while longer, because I feel like the human Cas episodes were, aside from 9x06, a mess of repetition and misogyny, but other than the April conversation (which was triggering, offensive, and never should have been allowed), I actually thought the episode was generally in character for Cas and also told the story on his own terms. This “writing” is extremely hit and miss regarding Cas, to say the least, but aside from that one (disgusting, wrong) conversation, this episode really did seem believable to me for Cas.
It’s sad because, you know, my standards for Cas have been so low since somewhere in season 5 that I’m always shocked and pleasantly surprised when two episodes in a row treat his plight somewhat respectfully and write him as somewhat close to a character I recognize.
I agree. I was expecting more out of this second angel war (or is it third now?) but I’m just not feeling it. :/
I wasn’t expecting anything, because Naomi was the only interesting angel left outside of Cas, but I do think if this…
Well, as much as I’m a nick picker about consistent show mythology what I think really bothers me is that it feels like all the story lines are just all over the place. And that those one off episodes really didn’t do this season many favors. Even the ones that I enjoyed.
We’ve got Abaddon running around taking souls the extremely bloody way. Is she the Big Bad? Ep 9.02 kind set her up to be the Big Bad.
Of who knows how many Angel fractions, we’ve been introduced to two + two individual neutral angels (Hael and Muriel) that haven’t really been fully fleshed out even though it’s already at the halfway point.
Gadriel and Metatron I really not sure how to feel about. Are we supposed to be sympathetic to Gadriel? Did Metatron just go a little off the deep end with his self imposed isolation? Is he supposed to be a straight up villain and be the Big Bad too?
Along side both Bartholomew and Malakai?
That’s a lot of Big Bads.
Team Free Will has broken up again after, imo, very little individual development other than piling on more manpainangst. And now we’re down two more members on a possible semi-permanent for one (with Charlie of in Oz) and what looks like most likely a very permanent way for the other (with Kevin’s apparent death).
Also what is up with the music choices this season?
And the funny thing is, as much as this feels like it should be a rant, I’m not even mad. Maybe I really am in shock but I just.. not feeling anything about the direction this show is going.
I just feel.. meh. :|
Here’s to hoping for some really good meta or fanfic or something spark some feelings back in to this cold shriveled heart of mine during the hiatus.
I actually liked the music cue when Dean was crying. Not sure why.
You really say it all. There’s just so much going on, so many villains and different factions that are for some reason handed off to some of the show’s worst writers, in-between tons of MOTW episodes. I assume we’ll start seeing more of them in the back half, and this was buildup, but I think we needed at least one more episode in the first half to establish these factions.
The whole idea of TFW also seems smashed to pieces. I knew it would be in disarray, but now, with Kevin gone, and Charlie likely not back for a while, if ever, and Cas usually on his own, it just feels like a fantasy. I know Garth is going to be on soon, but I just don’t like him, and I think he’s more of an isolated character anyway, outside of Sam and Dean. Deep down many of us knew there were never going to be any noisy group bunker scenes, but this is the first time I’ve realized we truly are likely going to be stuck in the season 7 mentality forever.
I thought part of the point of the story was for Dean to rebuild himself, and his relationships, but now I’m increasingly unsure what is left to rebuild. Or if it’s just going to be angst to the end. I’m going to have a very tough time believing he and Sam would get past this quickly, yet you know that’s what will happen.
I think Metatron is a spoiled child who never got what he wanted and now actively destroys whatever he can.
I’d like to be positive about some of this, as I’ve tried to see some of the better points of season 9, and have still cut them some slack even after last night. It would be nice if Carver said anything to try to address some of this. Not actors on Twitter, and sure as hell not the writers.
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I wanted to publish this just to balance out some of my complaints.
Yes, some scenes were strong, and I thought most of the performances were great. Everyone in the cast worked hard, and I need to praise that. Thanks for reminding me.
I have to admit that I just never can bring myself to care about violation of angel canon. I probably should, but they’ve made so many changes over the years, had so many inconsistencies (archangels need perfectly pure vessels…loloops, Michael’s fine with Adam after all; angels are “junkless” yet…
I always figured Michael went with Adam for the same reason Lucifer went with Nick initially: some body is better than none. They could host them because they /were/ related to the Winchesters in some regard. I think Adam’s body would have started decaying eventually, just as Nick’s did. That’s why Michael didn’t stay in young!John - he needed to be himself, alive, to ensure Sam and Dean ended up where they needed to be.
I could be wrong, but it also seemed to me that “junkless” was used less as a statement of fact than a way to demean and insult the angels on the part of the Winchesters. In truth, not having genitals is a bad thing in the least, but it’s something that society would, unfortunately, malign.
If “junkless” /weren’t/ used as some type of insult, maybe it was more a statement of angels’ sexual and/or gender identities to indicate that they don’t really have any (or that they’re outside the sex and gender and gender expression binaries) /as beings or waves of celestial intent/, regardless of their human vessels. Gabriel and Balthazar don’t have to be one way or another to fuck a lot.
One counter I’ve seen to the wank over Castiel stealing grace is that we never saw it prior because it was an absolute last resort. It was the one card he had up his sleeve, and he was in a situation where he needed to survive. From the .gifs I’ve seen, he looks very reluctant to do it… We know how tripped up and guilty Cas can and does feel about all of his actions, so here’s another thing to add to that burden. Additionally, we’d never encountered a circumstance where an angel lost their grace in the way Castiel had - that is to say, extracted by another angel and used as part of a spell. That provides them a convenient way for the writers to justify using this escape.